According To This Scripture, Who Is Jesus Father ?

[Mixtape Mutt]

According to the scripture provided, it's David. Which means God.

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by akira kurosawa

I CAN USE BIG LETTERS TOO, LOL!

Yes! because "one self" is the prime teaching of atheism. "one self" is the emphasis of atheist theory. When one uses these terms it is a clear indication that they are an atheist.



Atheists don't believe in God nor hell.

I don't think he works there.

SO IF I USE THE TERM "KNOW THY SELF" AM I AN ATHEIST ?

AND WOULD THAT BE THE SAME AS SAYING "GET KNOWLEDGE OF SELF" ?

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Mixtape Mutt

According to the scripture provided, it's David. Which means God.

i hope your just playing

DAVID

beloved, the eighth and youngest son of Jesse, a citizen of Bethlehem. His......

ACCORDING TO WEBSTERS DAVID MEANS BELOVED





AND ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE PROVIDED, JESUS IS A DESCENDENT OF DAVID, NOT HIS SON

[Kephrem]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

Thanks for breaking it down for those who don't know

Jesus (not Christ) was of that lineage - and held that royal title because he is a direct descendant of David through his father Joseph as the scripture Matthew 1 clearly states right ?

Yashawai (Jesus) the Christ (Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.)--coming out of the nation of Israel, was called "son of David" because he was of the seed of David, that seed being his mother Mary.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Mary's Davidic lineage is recorded in the book of Luke the 3rd chapter.

The geneology recorded in Matthew is of Joseph, Mary's "betrothed" husband. ("betrothed" meaning she was promised to be given to Joseph in marriage, which made her his wife.)

Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,

Galatians 4:4, Romans 1:3, Isaiah 7:14, and the scripture in Luke are clear and detailed on who Yashawai Mashayach was. (that's the true Hebrew translation of Jesus Christ, which is not a name but a title, one of his many titles.)

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David -- Book of Luke 1:32

[Kephrem]

In the book of Luke 3:23 it states Joseph was the "son of Heli" but we know he was actually the "son of Jacob" (as is recorded in Matthew 1:16.) that was because Heli was Mary's father (Joseph becomes a "son" (in-law) to Marys father.), and that's Marys lineage recorded in Luke the third chapter.

[Wooly Noggins]

the man thats called jesus the christ who lived 2000 years ago was a prophet of the supreme being - he prophesied of someone who will come in the end times -

his mother Mary was a Levite - his father Joseph was from the tribe of Judah -

Levite = preistlyhood

Judite = kingship

the Messiah Christ is that "son of Man" that the Jesus of 2000 years ago prophesied to come in the end times

[Kephrem]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

the man thats called jesus the christ who lived 2000 years ago was a prophet of the supreme being - he prophesied of someone who will come in the end times -

Yes, Jesus the Christ was a prophet, but the Hebrew New Testament also states clearly that he was God (God the Son.), the God who created all worlds. (that can be read in the book of Hebrews 1:2.)

Yashawai Mashayach prophesied of many things, and of MEN, that would be in the end times gathering the tribes....

his mother Mary was a Levite - his father Joseph was from the tribe of Judah -

Can you prove that using actual scripture within the New Testament writings??

They were BOTH of the House of Judah.

Luk 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:.)
Luk 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.


It is evident that the geneology recorded in the book of Luke is different then the geneology recorded in the book of Matthew; and in Luke Joseph is recorded as being "Son of Heli"....now can Wooly Noggins answer why this is so, seeing as that Matthew 1:16 states clearly that a man by the name of JACOB was Josephs fathers name??

[The answer was already given, it was because HELI was MARYS father, and Josephs "father in law", thus the geneology of Luke III is of MARY'S father, and it goes back to NATHAN (not back to SOLOMON as with Joseph, which is recorded in Matthew 1:6.) and back to DAVID, that can be read in the book of Luke 3:31.]

Levite = preistlyhood

Judite = kingship

The "priesthood of Levi" was done away with by Yashawai Mashayach with the set up of a new order, that started with the 12 Apostles, now all men of the 12 tribes can be priests, according to the prophecy given to the prophet Masha (Moses) "Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. "--which is being fulfilled within the Order of Melchizedek.

the Messiah Christ is that "son of Man" that the Jesus of 2000 years ago prophesied to come in the end times

The Jesus Christ of 2,000 years ago is the Son of Man mentioned all throughout the Gospel (Injil to the Muslims; in the book of Matthew 8:20., and other verses.) and also in the book of the Apocalypse. (which can be read in the book of Revelation 1:13.)

The Comforter is not a "Muslim", "Muhammad", "Imam Isa", "Farad Muhammad", "Louis Farrakhan", "Elijah Muhammad", or any "Christian preacher", but it is understood that who "the Comforter" is will be clearly seen and heard in time......

[Bone Collecta]

God is his father, Joseph is his earthly father.

1. A man who begets or raises or nurtures a child.
2. A male parent of an animal.
3. A male ancestor.
4. A man who creates, originates, or founds something: Chaucer is considered the father of English poetry.
5. An early form; a prototype.
6. Father Christianity.
   1. God.
   2. The first person of the Christian Trinity

it does not say that the father has to make the mother pregnant

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Yes, Jesus the Christ was a prophet, but the Hebrew New Testament also states clearly that he was God (God the Son.), the God who created all worlds. (that can be read in the book of Hebrews 1:2.)

Yashawai Mashayach prophesied of many things, and of MEN, that would be in the end times gathering the tribes....

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Can you prove that using actual scripture within the New Testament writings??

NO - and no one can PROVE anything to ANYONE using actual scripture within the new testament written about someone or anything that lived 2000 years ago - and this is what i was trying to get to you at the other place

Originally Posted by Kephrem

They were BOTH of the House of Judah.

Luk 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:.)
Luk 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

This scripture tells us nothing about them both being from the House of Judah - can a Kephrem back this up with any scripture from anywhere ?

Originally Posted by Kephrem

It is evident that the geneology recorded in the book of Luke is different then the geneology recorded in the book of Matthew; and in Luke Joseph is recorded as being "Son of Heli"....now can Wooly Noggins answer why this is so, seeing as that Matthew 1:16 states clearly that a man by the name of JACOB was Josephs fathers name??

why is the books of matthew and luke different ?

look at the page i posted above to get an idea of why - this has nothing to do with the thread - but this will make an interesting thread on its own -

Originally Posted by Kephrem

The answer was already given, it was because HELI was MARYS father, and Josephs "father in law", thus the geneology of Luke III is of MARY'S father, and it goes back to NATHAN (not back to SOLOMON as with Joseph, which is recorded in Matthew 1:6.) and back to DAVID, that can be read in the book of Luke 3:31.

are you 100% shure that a man named Heli was marys father and josephs father in law ?

Originally Posted by Kephrem

The "priesthood of Levi" was done away with by Yashawai Mashayach with the set up of a new order, that started with the 12 Apostles, now all men of the 12 tribes can be priests, according to the prophecy given to the prophet Masha (Moses) "Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. "--which is being fulfilled within the Order of Melchizedek.

are you taking this scripture to mean that the preisthood of levi was done away with by Jesus of 2000 years ago ?

any way she was a Levite - her uncle was Zechariah the PREIST

Originally Posted by Kephrem

The Jesus Christ of 2,000 years ago is the Son of Man mentioned all throughout the Gospel (Injil to the Muslims; in the book of Matthew 8:20., and other verses.) and also in the book of the Apocalypse. (which can be read in the book of Revelation 1:13.)

that Jesus of 2000 years ago predicted that a man, a >son< of man
will appear in the end times - this son of man can also be refered to as the Holy Ghost - this holy ghost is a MAN - a >son< of man - but maby later it'll all be clear

Originally Posted by Kephrem

The Comforter is not a "Muslim", "Muhammad", "Imam Isa", "Farad Muhammad", "Louis Farrakhan", "Elijah Muhammad", or any "Christian preacher", but it is understood that who "the Comforter" is will be clearly seen and heard in time......

you don't know this to be fact - he did say he'll come about like a thief in the night - i take this as saying that he'll come undetected but as time goes on you'll see the fruits of his labor - the comforter has came and left a long time now - no one else is coming to bring comfort - its harvest time



1 Timothy 1:4
nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.
1 Timothy 1:3-5 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)



but everyone in here is missing the point and skipping the answer to the thread title

who is jesus father according to this scripture posted here which is the very first page of the new testament

[Kephrem]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

??

NO - and no one can PROVE anything to ANYONE using actual scripture within the new testament written about someone or anything that lived 2000 years ago - and this is what i was trying to get to you at the other place

You stated that "Mary was a Levite", I then asked if this assertion can be backed up within the New Testament writings, your answer was "NO".

Ok. I'll ask it in a different way--where exactly should one aquire knowledge on the subject of "which tribe was Mary from" if not from the New Tewstament writings (and prophecies within the OT.) that makes mention of her??

This scripture tells us nothing about them both being from the House of Judah - can a Kephrem back this up with any scripture from anywhere ?

Yes, I mos def can.

Isa 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; [Is it] a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

why is the books of matthew and luke different ?

I never stated that the "books of matthew and luke" are "different", I stated the geneologies recorded in Matthew I, and Luke III, are different. The former is of Joseph, the latter of Marys geneology through her father, Josephs father in law, Heli.

are you 100% shure that a man named Heli was marys father and josephs father in law ?

Yes, according to the geneologies given, which are different.

are you taking this scripture to mean that the preisthood of levi was done away with by Jesus of 2000 years ago ?

What scripture do you mean by "this scripture"?? The priesthood of Levi being ended by Yashawai Mashayach is prophesied in scriptures as far back as the writings of the book of Genesis, and expounded on in greater detail in the New Testament writings.

any way she was a Levite - her uncle was Zechariah the PREIST

Mary, was paternally of the tribe of Judah, the prophecy in Isaiah foretold of the virgin concieving of the tribe of Judah (House of David.), so it was Mary's MOTHER who was a Levite, thus her cousin and uncle being Levites.....

that Jesus of 2000 years ago predicted that a man, a >son< of man
will appear in the end times -

Please quote the scripture in the NT that shows "Jesus predicted that a son of man will appear in the end times".

this son of man can also be refered to as the Holy Ghost - this holy ghost is a MAN - a >son< of man - but maby later it'll all be clear

Where in the NT writings does it state that the "son of man" is also the "holy ghost"??

I understand that a man was prophesied to come (and has already come) that will have a special gift of prophecy and teaching (the "Holy Spirit".), but where is it written that this person would also be called "son of man"??

Also, the reason why CHRIST HIMSELF, was called "SON OF MAN" in the NT, and in the book REVELATION, has nothing to do with actually being, or not being, the literal "son" of a "man".

you don't know this to be fact - he did say he'll come about like a thief in the night -

The "theif in the night" is alluding to the fact that most of the world are "ignorant"(darkness.) and are "asleep", concerning the "second coming", and the "ressurection" of Gods people (an army) which will shock the world "out of sleep".

i take this as saying that he'll come undetected but as time goes on you'll see the fruits of his labor - the comforter has came and left a long time now - no one else is coming to bring comfort - its harvest time

All these terms you're using "theif in the night", "Comforter", are of the Hebrew Israelites, and are scripturally oriented to their reality, and has NOTHING to do with anyone not of, or within, the true nation of Israel.....

Thus the "Comforter", these "laborers", "Elijah", the "prophets and teachers" wouldn't come speaking of anything BUT the true nationality of the ISRAELITES, of the gathering of the 12 tribes, and the revealing of who these people are in the world, the laws of the Hebrew Israelites, the prophecies pertaining to the nation of Israel, the knowledge wisdom and understanding of the 80 books of the Bible, the history pertaining to that nation (and true world history in general.), the leadership that is to be established within that nation, in other words, of the WORLD of ISRAEL......

So please, enough of this trying to use our book to uphold these wolves which have for the last 70 plus years used scripture, twisted scripture, spoken against scripture, to prop themselves up as something they are not....

1 Timothy 1:4
nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.

There is no "devotion" into "endless geneolgies" if it can be read right there in black in white in the books of Matthew and Luke.....

That scripture has no correlation to what is the geneology of Marayam (Mary) and Yawasap (Joseph)....

but everyone in here is missing the point and skipping the answer to the thread title

who is jesus father according to this scripture posted here which is the very first page of the new testament

What you failed to understand is that the Jesus of 2,000 years ago, did NOT live in the same lifetime as the prophet David, thus "son of David" does not translate into Jesus being the actual physical son of that man, but a DESCENDENT....


Now ask your question once more "who is jesus father according to this scripture posted here which is the very first page of the new testament".....

Titus 3 vs. 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

2nd Titus 3 vs. 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

[Kephrem]

LMAO @ that madness.....

In fact in those so-called "faker books" the DEVIL is being X-POSED, and the people were being taught order and wisdom....

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

So much for it being books written by "black devils".....

But those scriptures also fit PERFECTLY whoever came up with that garbage, who I suspect is serving out an 100 plus year sentence as we speak, a true BLACK DEVIL....


2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Kephrem

You stated that "Mary was a Levite", I then asked if this assertion can be backed up within the New Testament writings, your answer was "NO".

CORRECT - and again - NO - and no one can PROVE anything to ANYONE using actual scripture within the new testament written about someone or anything that lived 2000 years ago - and this is what i was trying to get to you at the other place

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Yes, I mos def can.

Isa 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; [Is it] a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

these scriptures do not say that Mary is/was a descendent of Juhda -


Peep "To a Virgin espoused to a man whose name was joseph,of the house of David;

and the virgins name was mary

its clearly saying that Joseph is a descendent of Judah; not mary
just like whats written on Matthew 1 is clearly saying that Joseph is/was a descendent of Judah

Originally Posted by Kephrem

I never stated that the "books of matthew and luke" are "different", I stated the geneologies recorded in Matthew I, and Luke III, are different. The former is of Joseph, the latter of Marys geneology through her father, Josephs father in law, Heli.

you didn't have to say that they are different - what you wrote CLEARLY tells me that you know that they are different

Originally Posted by Kephrem
It is evident that the geneology recorded in the book of Luke is different then the geneology recorded in the book of Matthew; and in Luke Joseph is recorded as being "Son of Heli"....now can Wooly Noggins answer why this is so, seeing as that Matthew 1:16 states clearly that a man by the name of JACOB was Josephs fathers name??



then you proceeded to ask me if i know why they are different - the books are different - not just the geneology - they are different books saying similar things about a prophet who lived 2000 years ago - why do you hold on to whats written in these books that clearly contradict themselves is a better question

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Yes, according to the geneologies given, which are different.




What scripture do you mean by "this scripture"??

the one you quoted here

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kephrem
The "priesthood of Levi" was done away with by Yashawai Mashayach with the set up of a new order, that started with the 12 Apostles, now all men of the 12 tribes can be priests, according to the prophecy given to the prophet Masha (Moses) "Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. "--which is being fulfilled within the Order of Melchizedek.


and thats why i asked you if you see this scripture as meaning that jesus ended the preisthood of levi

cause if you do, then them other scriptures your talking about that is saying the preisthood in levi will be done away with don't need to be examined by me -

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Mary, was paternally of the tribe of Judah, the prophecy in Isaiah foretold of the virgin concieving of the tribe of Judah (House of David.), so it was Mary's MOTHER who was a Levite, thus her cousin and uncle being Levites.....

ok - but you have yet to show me where in the bibleit says mary is of the tribe of judah - in time i'll find scripture to support mines - but you listed scripture that does not prove that she was of the tribe of Judah

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Please quote the scripture in the NT that shows "Jesus predicted that a son of man will appear in the end times".

ok

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Where in the NT writings does it state that the "son of man" is also the "holy ghost"??

it doesn't - are you a "new testament" christian ?

Originally Posted by Kephrem

I understand that a man was prophesied to come (and has already come) that will have a special gift of prophecy and teaching (the "Holy Spirit".), but where is it written that this person would also be called "son of man"??

some things you won't see or understand no matter how many times i tell you
the more you gather the more what you think you believe right now will change - i can throw bible quotes and books at you and we'll still see it different - i did'nt just stay in history class and cut math,english, and science. Come up outa history class sometimes man - you cannot prove to us who these people are or are not using these scriptures.

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Also, the reason why CHRIST HIMSELF, was called "SON OF MAN" in the NT, and in the book REVELATION, has nothing to do with actually being, or not being, the literal "son" of a "man".

why are you telling me this ?

look at it like this - there are 4 jesus in the bible just like there are 2 adams right there in genesis - now you can either take what i'm saying here as true or false, or you can search for YOURSELF and ask around about it - try asking outside of your circle sometimes and find out what others, who are not of your click are saying

Originally Posted by Kephrem

The "theif in the night" is alluding to the fact that most of the world are "ignorant"(darkness.) and are "asleep", concerning the "second coming", and the "ressurection" of Gods people (an army) which will shock the world "out of sleep".

yup - undetected by most - same thing - everybody and their groups believe that they would be able to recognize this man - whats sad is that they think that their group and only their group is worthy of recognizing this MAN

Originally Posted by Kephrem

All these terms you're using "theif in the night", "Comforter", are of the Hebrew Israelites, and are scripturally oriented to their reality, and has NOTHING to do with anyone not of, or within, the true nation of Israel.....

so many people believe they are the "TRUE". Its a stage understanding - a low one too -

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Thus the "Comforter", these "laborers", "Elijah", the "prophets and teachers" wouldn't come speaking of anything BUT the true nationality of the ISRAELITES, of the gathering of the 12 tribes, and the revealing of who these people are in the world, the laws of the Hebrew Israelites, the prophecies pertaining to the nation of Israel, the knowledge wisdom and understanding of the 80 books of the Bible, the history pertaining to that nation (and true world history in general.), the leadership that is to be established within that nation, in other words, of the WORLD of ISRAEL......

Originally Posted by Kephrem

So please, enough of this trying to use our book to uphold these wolves which have for the last 70 plus years used scripture, twisted scripture, spoken against scripture, to prop themselves up as something they are not....

and you didn't twist any scriptures in this thread to your own liking ?

trying to make them say what you want them to say ?

or what you was taught that they say ?

Originally Posted by Kephrem

There is no "devotion" into "endless geneolgies" if it can be read right there in black in white in the books of Matthew and Luke.....

That scripture has no correlation to what is the geneology of Marayam (Mary) and Yawasap (Joseph)....

ahight man

Originally Posted by Kephrem

What you failed to understand.......

nope - i don't fail to understand

Originally Posted by Kephrem

is that the Jesus of 2,000 years ago, did NOT live in the same lifetime as the prophet David, thus "son of David" does not translate into Jesus being the actual physical son of that man, but a DESCENDENT....

again - why are you telling me this ?

i know who King David is

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Now ask your question once more "who is jesus father according to this scripture posted here which is the very first page of the new testament".....

shure - "who is jesus father according to this scripture posted here which is the very first page of the new testament" ?

it has not been answered yet -

Originally Posted by Kephrem

Titus 3 vs. 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

2nd Titus 3 vs. 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

such is HIS STORY - when you use the bible to back up what you BELEIVE are actual factual events that took place in history, you fail everytime

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Kephrem

LMAO @ that madness.....

In fact in those so-called "faker books" the DEVIL is being X-POSED, and the people were being taught order and wisdom....

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

So much for it being books written by "black devils".....

But those scriptures also fit PERFECTLY whoever came up with that garbage, who I suspect is serving out an 100 plus year sentence as we speak, a true BLACK DEVIL....


2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

sallgood man - you can go on and let Timothy, romans, titus and them lead you - keep searching though

[Mark]

Anyway: Akira is right. Wooly got no respect and his posts are a waste of time.

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Mark Mayoya

Anyway: Akira is right. Wooly got no respect and his posts are a waste of time.

akira is right about what ?

fools don't deserve respect you know that - or maby you don't -

my post are a waste of time ?

NO - these post are a waste of time

http://wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?t=2634

http://wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?t=2669

http://wutangcorp.com/showthread.php?t=2658


whats really disrespectful is how i come under attack mainly by people who don't agree with how i see things -
i don't agree withhow you see things so i leave you alone - i mind my business and keep it moving - but these rats always gotta have something negative to say when we are discussing Islam - whats disrespectful is Akira coming into an ass thread trying to preach shit - but so be it -